Apple makes bad computers?

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  1. Papa Deuce

    Papa Deuce Well-Known Member

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    from yahoo.com/tech

    We’ve known for a while that Oculus has no immediate plans to support Macs. That led to VentureBeat reporter Jordan Novet building a PC specifically for virtual reality. But Luckey is leaving it up to Apple to join the simulated fun if it wants to.

    “[Rift support] is up to Apple,” he said. “If they ever release a good computer, we will do it.”

    Palmer’s definition of a “good computer” is one that can handle the demands of VR software. The issue is that these games and tools need a hyper-rapid frame rate in the range of 90-to-125 frames per second to prevent people from getting motion sick. The Oculus founder says that Apple just doesn’t have an option on the market to meet that demand. Also, it’s worth pointing out that Oculus is a Facebook subsidiary, and Microsoft owns around 1.6 percent of Facebook.

    “It just boils down to the fact that Apple doesn’t prioritize high-end GPUs,” said Luckey. “You can buy a $6,000 Mac Pro with the top of the line AMD FirePro D700, and it still doesn’t match our recommended specs. So if they prioritize higher-end GPUs, like they used to for a while back in the day, we’d love to support Mac. But right now, there’s just not a single machine out there that supports it.”
     
  2. JBRUU

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    They're excellent computers. Macs have never prioritized gaming thus the 'poor' specs. For your average college student or average laptop user they're the best you can get.
     
  3. TheOutlander

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    Nope, Apple actually makes pretty decent computers, yes, they aren't too beefy in terms of specs and are definitely not suited for gaming, but I personally think that they are pretty good for more mundane stuff, also, OSX is great.
     
  4. september

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    For the price you're buying under spec for what you could buy on PC, you're paying for a brand and a closed system (which has its pluses as well as negatives). It's always been that way.
     
  5. Jayg2015

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    Lol. Was this for real
     
  6. Magnum0ik

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    I have an iMac and have had since it was new in 2012. I have played games on it via duel boot Windows - FIFA, COD etc. It is an i5 and did the job when I needed it. I never really used it for gaming but it could handle the top games at the time. I played a lot of WOW on it back in the day.

    My main love for it was the fact IT DOESNT CRASH. No blue screen of death and no restarts. That is my biggest problem with a Windows machine. It also is a quality build - Macs are never flimsy or cheap design. I don't really use it much these days as I don't spend much time at a computer (other than work).
     
  7. crunc

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    What do you mean by a "closed system"? There is an app store, but its optional. You can install software from anywhere.

    One of my kids bought an inexpensive Dell laptop I think about 2 years ago and it's already pretty much unusable. So slow. Plus the screen is cracked - cheaply made. Our Macs seem to last much longer. If you want to play games on a computer, you pretty much have to go with Windows, though. There are games for Mac, but obviously not nearly as many.
     
  8. Papa Deuce

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    You can google it. yes it is real.
     
  9. bigrand1

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    Seriously?! LOL! ;P For years all my computers were not Macs, and there were all sorts of issues from spyware, adware, viruses, slow-downs, and all kinds of crap I had to deal with! This one dude I used to know would constantly hammer me on the virtues of owning a Mac, and I was resistant, until I bought my first one! It's true what they say when they say 'once you go Mac, you never go back'! Every computer since has been a Mac of some kind and it's been the best experiences ever! I've never even bought any anti-virus or any extra protection and never even had to de-frag and there's NO issues! Since then, I've turned into the total Apple guy myself! To me, everything is so much easier with way better UI and provides me with absolutely the best of everything I could ever want! The only downside (for me anyway), is that most everywhere you deal with uses Windows-based computers, and by me not using them anymore, I become rusty in terms of using them with all their extra steps and the interface, etc. 'cause it's different and that kinda sucks in a way, but all in all, I'm right where I wanna be, man!
     
  10. Teknikal

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    Personally I've nothing against Apple computers they seem to be well built and reliable, I'd recommend them to others but wouldn't buy one myself for a similar reason to this article. I just wouldn't buy an expensive machine without a relatively modern dedicated graphics card, I like PC gaming essentially and I do that and watch videos probably more than anything else.

    I was actually looking yesterday and found myself a little tempted by this yeah I know I could build the same spec much cheaper but I just like things working out of the box.

    Don't think Apple are bad at all but they should put in dedicated cards it's almost the opposite of what they do on mobile where they usually have the best GPU's
     
  11. pluto6

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    I bought a Mac Book Pro i7 back in 2011with extra RAM and an upgraded graphics card, and it runs as well now as then. Never had a PC last more than 3-4 years without serious slowdown and software issues.
     
  12. september

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    I didn't mean software but hardware, IBM allowed anyone to build a system based off their computer and Mac only has the one manufacturer (well multiple really, built under control of one company). A bit like Android and iDevice. Closed means higher price but generally more reliability, open means anything from a box put together with sticky tape to something that's hums like a dream, just means better research is needed before a purchase. Or better yet build your own.
     
  13. RHess00

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    I'm happy to here this. I just bought a Mac Book Pro for my wife and oldest daughter and a Mac Book Air for my youngest daughter. It was a lot of money but I just got sick of buying PC's every 2 to 3 years. I just want something realiable.
     
  14. thumbs07

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    Blue screen of deaths, crashes on PCs are pretty nonexistent these days.
     
  15. Tommet

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    I have an I7 based Alienware that I bought in 2011. Best PC I ever bought. Granted I've upgraded it with an ssd and a new video card, but it is still running like a champ and will handle VR just fine. If you compare dollar to dollar, hardware wise it's really no contest. Macs simply do not have the same grunt as other options.

    Apple makes great stuff, but they aren't perfect.

    Of course all this means is it clears the way for Apple to make their own $600 VR solution. And then sell it for $1200.
     
  16. Tommet

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    BTW, I wouldn't say "bad". They have great stuff. It's just seriously overpriced for the hardware.
     
  17. pluto6

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    You might be right. I havent even looked at PCs since I bought the Mac though. 5 years and not a hitch. Although I did install an SSD so it runs fast. I don't game on the Mac, so I can't comment on its abilities or lack, but the stuff I do its great. I never had a PC that wasnt slow or acting up after a couple years. 5 years with a PC was an eternity and it seemed a dinosaur. My MBP boots in under 10 seconds and because of yhe SSD, programs like Word and Powerpoint and Endpoint load in about a second.
    I used PCs since the original IBM motherboard and reseaerched and bought chips, motherboards, cases, cards etc to get the bang for the buck, but got tired of the constant need for upgrading (and the expense). In my mind, I would have bought 2 or 3 PCs compared to the 1 Mac - and the total dollar amount is probably about the same at this time, but I expect my Mac will still be fine for about 3 or 4 more years, and so in the very long run the Mac saves me money.

    No interest in VR for me at the moment so I cant comment on that either. Im glad your machine still runs. I never got that lucky. Maybe after 30 years the PCs are reliable. I got tired of trying.
     
  18. september

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    Tech-wise, gaming is the main contributor for the need to upgrade, and even that has slowed down a lot. Years ago things moved in six month cycles with big leaps, these days it's a lot longer with lesser of a jump. If you don't game you're pretty much fine as far as a machines lifespan goes.
     
  19. Tommet

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    #19 Tommet, Mar 29, 2016
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    It's not luck. It's informed purchasing. Don't take that the wrong way, but look...

    I retired from IT stuff nearly 10 years ago. Had over 25 years in. Honestly I hated supporting Apple stuff, it was always a pain to get it doing exactly what you wanted. You kinda had to take Apple at Apple. If you were happy with that, you were happy with them. Ecstatic most likely. I had many users who wouldn't touch anything but.

    I use it all. Always have.

    IMO Apple provides a great user experience if you align with their idea of what their users should do with their devices and don't mind paying a premium for that logo. Many people fall into that camp.

    Pc's well, you can do pretty much whatever you want, but you can get into trouble a bit easier. BUT There's more that can be done with a PC. But you'd better have an inkling.

    Hey, pick the OS that can do what you want and go that route. It's a personal choice. Both have advantages and disadvantages. Choice is great.
     
  20. Tommet

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    Pay as much for that PC as you did for that Apple and you'll find what you seek.
     

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