Some might say your logic is too simple. I for one avoid Chinese products. I've done this for a long time. The reason is simple. Buying Chinese products supports the Chinese government. As long as the country prospers so does the government. I can not in good conscious support a government with so gross human rights violations. I don't want famine for the Chinese people, but some economic pressure might force the government to rethink its practices or even (in my dreams) for a revolution to happen. Also, in this day and age we need to be more careful about where and how our products are made. Not only for humanitarian reasons but also environmental reasons. To look only at the bottom line in dollars is myopic to a unreasonable degree.
No offense at all, but intellectually, I seriously wonder how you survive refusing to buy Chinese products, seeing as so many products are made in China (clothes, food, technology), that is, if you do stick to your rule strictly. Can it really be done? Do you honestly check all product origins? I mean, it's a good sentiment.
harsh conditions? we are talking about video game programming, not the yakuza kidnapping chinese to force them into game making lol i personally dont care who makes the game as long as the games r good, just b cuz the makers r in another country doesnt mean they r working under "harsh conditions" if thats the case than the ANNOYING WoW gold sellers that r ALL chinese r getting one lash for every person that turns down giving them a piece of gold lol...seriously the reality of the gaming world is not like that, the game industry is not a t-shirt factory
I care how my stuff is being made but I don't care who makes it. So if I was gameloft I would care how it would be made but I don't care who would make it. Well, what else you gonna do make everything yourself? Most of the products that are imported to the USA are from China so how will you manage to live while avoiding buying things from China. Don't go all environmentalist on me. I can't stand it when people do that.
Lol Chinese names = from China. I'm Chinese and I'm in Canada right now. My 3,492,038 other Chinese friends are also in Canada/US/Britain/Australia/Japan right now. Even if they were working in China it does not automatically mean underpaid. In fact some professionals get paid MORE in China than North American, depending on the position. /facepalm
Recent GAMELOFT titles - Have you checked the credits? I dug into BLADES OF FURY this morning and found the credits..... Besides the product being impressive.... The game has a HUGE team. But... It's made in China.. I believe their Shanghai studio... This is why the game can be sold for $5.99 at a profit..... And it explains the great voice over clips
credits Gameloft has studios all over the world and it's Paris based. Anyway, does that really matters?
Gameloft has studio all over the world! Do you guys ever look at the game credits? Most of their last big hits were made in Montreal: - Gan$tar - NFL 2010 - MC: Sandstorm - Dongeon Hunter Why does people keep hating the only big publisher that gives an amazing amount of real 'AAA' iphone game to the appstore?
Hahaha. How old are some of these people here? You go need to learn some stuff or even some morals. Stop being sooo stereotypical and just dumb. Chinese names = programmers are in China? Doesn't follow. LOL.
If the 98% of the team listed as chinese.. It's kind of obvious.... Considering I've heard the size of Gameloft's chinese studio in Shanghai is 500+.
Considering current labor rates differences.... A good programmer in the Shangahi area earns about $1000/Month... and that's a great living. Do the math..... It's economics.... Not racism..
First of all, I start up the topic with no intention, so there is no defense or offence here. Yes, I’m making assumption here, let me rephrase: - Actually, not all gameloft games are make from China, the title should say “SOME”. - It is not a couple names is Chinese, but whole team, from Producer, 3D Visual, Game design, Programmer to QA, all is Chinese names, so I believe it is a team from somewhere china. Except positions are not Chinese is sound effect, marketing person. Well, that’s making sense, and that’ll be the TREND definitely in the future for most of the global game companies, where they’re outsourcing their projects to either China/India. Think about Global companies like IBM, Microsoft, SAP and etc. They all have teams from 200~500 employees in both China and India. Our company’s customer support team is outsourcing to Philippines (100+ ppl lost their jobs here). Why, read below. I apologize for my word “cheap labour”, if that hurt your feeling, I’m so sorry. So no hard feelings ok. I don’t mean Chinese people are cheap labor; but I have been told a programmer in china can only make around 5k Chinese Yuan per month that roughly equivalent to 700 USD (*8k per year), still his income is 3~4 times more than an office clerk in china. But compare to a developer here, he’s getting 70k ~100k per year; devs in China are making much less money than devs here, and roughly 10 times less. So if Gameloft outsource their product there, I can understand. If I own a company, I’ll do the same. The discussion is here - many individual developers or small companies feel greatly threaten by those big publishers like Gameloft: - They have no enough resource - They cannot compete the game quality - They cannot finish game on time / or in short time - Well, not enough money to promo their product - etc *so Gameloft can create/clone many games similar to those individual or small companies working on. Gameloft clone it quick, release it fast & sell in cheap. When those individual or small companies release their game, Gameloft similar one will drop its price to 1.99/.99 that hurt their product sales. So you can tell, for sure “Only one of you” can't beat “10 Outsourcing Developers” (*if you do math right from above*), and those Outsourcing people are great developers with intelligence & programming quality. Although they may not be innovation, but they can do thing well if you give them the blueprint. May I say they can CLONE things well? Well, that’s Gameloft business strategy; they try to clone/transplant games from other platform to iPhone. And where is the great place to clone things? (*again, take it easy, no hard feeling ok*) Yea, China. They can do great product with low price. Think about their great success on clone(fake) LV hand bags, clone(fake) watch, clone illegal DVD/CD, clone(fake) Nike T-shirt, clone(fake) Disney toy/doll… w00t fake milk powder for infant, that hurt ... fake this fake that (j/k) and even fake(clone) egg, no kidding read here: http://www.hoax-slayer.com/fake-eggs-china.shtml So why not clone game… (j/k) Fake iPhone in China?! Sure, it won’t be miss, fake iPhone in China called “iOrange” Article talk about fake iPhone (iOrange) in China: http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/10/24/chinese.iphone.copy.seen/ Official site: http://iorgane.com/ (*it is a not a apple web site in Chinese, but again, a clone web site in Chinese) Again, I love gameloft if I'm a consumer (like you mom love to shop in Walmart), in the other hand I hate it if I'm a iPhone developer in NA I apologize for my word and rudeness, just wanna share some info and create thought here.
OH C'MON GUYS - SHUT UP - Chinese people are awesome. And if I'll see another thread with the name "Gameloft is made by Asians!" I'm goin' to freak out.. I got a chinese friend, and they're just like us, they just got a different face!
There are labor practices differences you have to take into account. How many hours do they work per day? Vacation time? Breaks? Are they justly compensated for their work in products that go on to make their parent company millions? Does the pay scale raise dependent on prior success? Are they able to collectively bargain with management? All of these things, while not sweat shop labor conditions by any means, would point to said workers not getting their just due. The labor system simply doesn't work that way in places like China and most of BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India, China) which are readily emerging economic powers on the world stage. And while not a complete fan of unionization in the Western world, the fact is that such groups have ensured many of the rights workers enjoy today that are not enjoyed in nations like China. Precisely. But it's economics predicated on the basis of lack of rights afforded to the workers in a nation like China (which is odd, as the supposed Communist regime was founded on ideals of workers rights, no?...but then again such nations always break down to totalitarianism, as we've seen in other cases). Yeah, $1000/month is a great living in China. But if it doesn't reflect the true value of the labor, and the labor practices are very much different in the workplace (where workers are not afforded the same workplace rights as in Western nations), then, honestly...$1000/month, even in China, does not seem like great shakes. Eventually the workforce over there, whether on the low end labor scale or on the high end with skilled labor, will come to realize this and either collectively demand expanded workplace rights or simply go to other nations where they can more enjoy the fruits of their labor. China will simply not continue as it has for quite some time.
A lot of the bigger companies have put more resources into Asian teams, as of late - very probably because it is cheaper for them. It ain't really news anymore. For example, the DS/iPhone version of CivRev was pretty much all done by a Chinese development team.
useless Guys! Some of gameloft game are made in china, but some of them are made elsewhere. For instance, MC: Sandstorm was made in Montreal. Blade of Fury was made in Sanghai. Gameloft has studios all over the world! Yes, some of them are made in china, other in canada, others in France or Romania... If you want to hate Gameloft...don't hate their employess, they are doing a pretty good job! This discussion is useless!
why are there two threads about this? i think its rather inappropriate to segregate any developer or forum member because of from where some of their programmers originate! this is a forum where we can get together and exchange thoughts and opinions about iphone games, get excited about upcoming games and devs, and argue about minigore updates. its bad forum etiquette to bring race and locale into a forum where we can congregate and banter a little about games and commonalities. your position on politics and finger pointing and racism should be taken elsewhere
Exactly. And I can give you a roundabout time period when this sort of thing started becoming even more apparent: EA being shaken down in various industry websites, forums, etc. when labor practices employed in their NA dev studios was revealed in that letter that a developer's wife wrote. http://ea-spouse.livejournal.com/274.html Once the all nighters and barely paid overtime were revealed, well...there was an outcry. Even in Japan, btw, which was known for devs pulling more hours and even sleeping at their desks during crunch time, overnight, has rapidly pulled away from such practices due to the workers themselves saying "no mas". But, sadly, we can probably surmise that such workplace "rules" are much more the norm in places where workers could not enjoy individual workplace rights and threaten suit if not remedied. And right now maybe those workers in nations like China are "happy" to have a job, particularly one that pays so well for those in China...but, eventually...this too will change. The "happiness" will curtail, and they'll start wanting something more, as is their right quite frankly. When that happens, prepare for this industry like others to move to the next on the rise nation with plentiful and cheap(er) labor due to lack of certain rights.
