So you're happy with a one-sided discussion in which people angrily express their disdain for pirating and those on the other side of the line just sit back and remain silent? That's hardly a discussion in my opinion. May as well just disallow discussing piracy in that case - unless you get some weird satisfaction from seeing people insult it. If someone admits to stealing music or movies, do they get suspended too? Or are iOS pirates just that much more scummy than everyone else. My current device isn't even jailbroken (inb4suspension), but this policy is nothing short of silly in my eyes.
people here pirate a game to try... and then actually buy it to play? Wow... very self righteous folks then. Most people who i have run into who pirate games... just pirate. Don't buy. Though i must say it's just easier to buy a game. And iOS games are super-affordable whichever way you want to measure them. And with so many legit free games, sales etc... i always have a huge back log of games to even think about pirating to try....
I blame you, lol. It's the same arguments from both sides every time this topic pops up. You might as well request that the thread be locked. I still can't imagine what it's like pirating a $0.99 game though. That must mean the person doing it has no access to a credit card or any means of money at all. Freaking ridiculous that they have an iDevice in the first place. I mean, if parents are going to buy their kids shit, shouldn't they try reading up even a little about it first before they spend hundreds of dollars? Or do the parents just not care that their kids pirate hundreds to thousands of songs a year and every game they have? Apple advertises the AppStore as the forefront of the iOS device. I find it hard to imagine that parents would believe that the things in a "store" would be free.
Well, I'm not arguing here. I was just the one who put up this thread. That doesn't mean you have to blame me for putting up a thread. I'm not arguing against anything right now EXCEPT for piracy... EDIT: Read your edited part of your post.
Mhm, sure Its okay bro. But, back on topic, it is kinda sad that people will pirate apps when indie devs wanna make some money.
This is an iOS gaming forum so we are obviously a lot more strict about anyone pirating iOS apps. We dont approve piracy of any other sorts either and if someone posts links /how-to or supports any other form of piracy, they'll get suspended too. I dont believe there is any way to stop piracy unless it's made impossible with the help of tech. Not sure about the current situation but last I checked, it was impossible to pirate a PS3 game. And its impossible to use a pirated game online on Xbox. But thats something which has to be done at the top level. All this so called discussion is not going to change anything. Its been discussed to death and a fruitless conversation to begin. But we dont disallow the discussion completely coz unless you discuss it, how will one know how bad the situation is right now. And you seriously want pirates to openly post here their opinion here? This is a pirate - a) he can afford a $200+ iDevice b) he cant afford a $2 app c) and he has zero self control to resist himself from getting that app illegally. I dont value the opinion of anyone like that. Gain some self control, grow up, wait 6 years until you* are 16, get a job, and start buying your* apps first before you want your opinion to be taken seriously here. *(Just to be clear, when I say 'you' here, I'm addressing the pirates in general, i dont mean to imply Monkeyy is a pirate or supports piracy in any way)
I've never pirated an iOS game and I don't plan to ever do so. But complaining about those who do won't change things. Just concentrate on the people (like me) who do pay for apps. The pirates aren't going to buy anyway - most of them are probably young kids without money. A lot of them are probably kids who inherited their parent or sibling's old iPods or whatever, and don't actually have money t spend on apps. Not making excuses, but I don't just don't see much value in complaining about piracy. It will always happen.
I expect there to be a ton of pirate apps, unfortunately. Lots of teenagers/kids own iOS devices, and their parents are more than likely to say no to buying games. What do they do? Pirate them. Terrible.
Yes, I think pirates who can express themselves maturely should be allowed to express themselves here. Someone posted on that Gameized blog that they had to use pirated applications because the credit cards available in their country aren't accepted by Apple. Perhaps many people in North America, Australia (+NZ), and the UK who pirate are kids or those who refuse to pay for a $2 game, but there are plenty of people in other countries who are prevented from buying applications by Apple itself. These individuals can't defend themselves here because we assume that their opinion is invalid as a result of how they obtain their applications. If I move to Mozambique tomorrow and have no choice but to pirate applications because Apple won't accept my shiny new Mozambican credit card, does that mean my opinion on pirating is suddenly invalid and my posts are no longer welcome here? PS3 games can indeed be pirated. There are some guys at work who talk about it on occasion. I can't explain how it's done because I don't have the console, but it can certainly be done. It's possible that XBL games have some pirate-proof mechanism, but blocking online stuff is only half the battle. I agree that it's pointless to argue. Pirates are going to steal/"copy" and everyone else is going to do things the old fashioned way. My whole point here is that I don't think someone's opinion should be judged solely on their actions. It may be that often those who pirate have less mature opinions or are more prone to being idiots, but that doesn't mean everyone who pirates is going to be equally foolish. Similarly, not everyone who buys their applications through iTunes is going to be mature and respectable. I think those who behave maturely and express themselves respectably should be allowed to post here regardless of their actions. Those who cannot should be banned. I'll throw this question out here not because I want an answer, but more as a "food for thought" type thing: if someone admits to stealing a candy bar, do they get banned?
You can pirate PS3 games as of a few months ago. I don't have a PS3 but I keep up with all things gaming related and you can see on some torrent sites that there are indeed PS3 games on it. On iOS games I was under the impression that if you pirate a game that the in app purchases do not work anyway. As I said in a previous thread that got locked, I understand why people pirate on iOS. I am not stating that it should be accepted, but I understand. I came from three years of Android devices and on the Android market you used to be able to download a game or app and play it for 23 hours. At any point during that first day if the game wasn't worth it you could hit the return and refund button. They changed it more recently so that you have 15 minutes to try it to make sure it works nice, but at least there is indeed a try before you buy. Before I purchased a PS3 years ago I made sure to read reviews as well as try a demo unit in the store. Had I not done that, Sony wouldn't have had me as a customer and missed out on a 700 dollar sale back in the day. The only games I play a lot on iOS are IAP games that are free to download unless its a well known developer and they are getting good reviews. Like another person said though, if you can come here and read bash upon bash of pirating, but you can not read a single line of why some find it acceptable to pirate, then there will never be a nice discussion and it might as well become forum policy and rules that discussion for or against piracy in any form is strictly prohibited. I just don't like to see people getting lumped into some maturity bracket over if they pirate stuff or not. If you read some of the responses here its the people who are playing it straight that may be lacking maturity or the ability to be open minded and understanding.
No. Thieves have no rights. It's one of the down sides to being a thief. Too bad. Life isn't always fair. Too bad. Life isn't always fair. Thieves' opinions aren't valid. See above. But you WOULD have a choice. You could choose not to be a thief. Cool phones and fun apps are a luxury; just because you want them doesn't mean you have some sort of bizarre right to them. Seriously, get over yourself. If their actions amount to theft, I'm very happy to judge them.
http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/04/study-pirates-buy-tons-more-music-than-average-folks.ars Food for thought. I honestly hope a pirates opinion is able to be expressed as much as anybody elses here or anywhere else. Another thing, what about the radio when it first came out? The radio, as we all know, takes music from records and plays it over airwaves for free, effectively 'stealing' profits from record companies. The term 'Pirate Radio' actually comes from the record companies calling the radio pirates. However I'm sure all of us agree now that the radio is not an illegal or immoral device. What? You might wanna rethink that statement. Honestly that is a really dumb statement to make.
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/15/apple-releases-ios-4-3-4-to-address-latest-jailbreaking-vulnerability/
