Eh, I'm against piracy but you're going too far in the other direction. There are hundreds of games on the App Store I'm not going to buy, but would download if they went on a free promotion. Quit asking for evidence on other peoples theories when the evidence for yours is equally as shaky, calling it absurd is only highlighting your complete refusal to look at the topic from a neutral point of view. It may not be correct, and I'm sure everyone knows it's never going to be 100% one way or the other, but there's a valid point in there if you're not too ignorant to look for it.
I am curious why you would believe otherwise? Do you honestly think people who can download any game they want, from very convenient lists, for free and at anytime they want, WOULDN'T become more selective and frugal with their game buying, if they were forced to pay for games? Do you believe they wouldn't become like, oh i dunno, everyone else? You have to pay for games now, but tell me how selective you would be if you could get them all for free? Honestly, no hard data is really there to prove this point, none that I know of. So take this all with a grain of salt if you want, doesn't really matter to me, I know I cant change your opinion. Just want to state mine.
You do realize that every single one of us here on TA could get every game for free if we wanted to right? That's the point. We choose not to. Unless it was legal, I wouldn't be any more or any less selective than I am now when it comes to purchasing games even if it was just a click away to download as many games as I wanted for free with the fastest internet connection in the world. Personally, I have no idea how to even jailbreak my iOS devices, much less pirate apps, but I'm sure it'd be pretty simple after hearing the logic of the said group of people who find pirating justified.
LOL, he said bro. Well, it is a grim matter and has nothing to do with taking something or someone too seriously. Here are some very friendly devs in this forum which get hurt by piracy. I'd daresay that this matter isn't funny, at least not for them. Yet some people troll around here, still trying to justify piracy. We at TA are the ones who know exactly how hard some devs work for their money and over several months, selling you these products for 1-3 bucks. Piracy is both an insult and lack of appreciation for their work. I just wonder, still wonder why all these honest App Store customers in this thread are feeling the need to find an explanation/excuse for piracy. Shouldn't you all disagree with anything piracy instead? This feels like you all are defending some kind of wrong Robin Hood's actions. Even more strange: by reading your posts in other threads, you seem to be people of high moralic standards.
I am sure you are in a vast minority of people, i know much more of TA is in the "waiting for a sale", or "not buying anything over 99c", or "not buying anything without a video", or "2.99 is too much for this game", or "i only have 99c on my account, so gotta be extra selective", or, "this looks good, but i need a lite," crowds, would behave quite differently from you. Look at the numbers on games that go free, vs games that cost even 99c. People are MORE selective when games cost money. This should be fairly obvious, even with just anecdotal evidence(which I admit is all I am willing to muster).
But the thing is, all of the people you've mentioned already have the choice to pirate games and not complain about a thing. Instead, they choose to wait and adjust to the AppStore based on their own situations in life. Yeah, they might be called cheap sometimes; hell, I might call them cheap sometimes, but they're not pirating. They give credit to where it's due. They're the people who chose the other alternative to pirating games. We've already established that pirating is mainly due to a lack of resources. Assuming a person falls in that category, they can either wait for sales and freebies, or they can choose to illegally obtain their games. So in a way, I guess we can say that these people are making the right choice, notwithstanding how much it annoys me at times to read their posts. There's really no argument between us in any case. The bottom line is that pirating games is not something we view as positive here. I have no doubt that it drives business and raises visibility for all forms of media, but that kind of discussion doesn't belong here where developers take part in the community. That's the whole picture: following the rules of TA. Also, that's not justification for pirating, just a consequence of it.
I don't think you understand, or you are taking things into an entirely un-important direction. I am not saying they pirate anything, I am saying they are selective with what they purchase, because apps cost them money. I am saying that people who regularly pirate apps, are not selective with what they download, because they are getting the apps for free. I am saying, that when a pirate downloads an app, he isn't necessarily downloading something he would otherwise buy. So I am finally saying, that a pirated app cannot said to be a lost sale for the developer. In fact I would go out of my way to say, that probably very few pirated apps can be counted as lost sales, very very few. EDIT: I didn't see this part,
I agree with everything you're saying here, and no, I was not aware that this was what we were arguing about. No one with any kind of knowledge on the entertainment industry could possibly that just because something was pirated, a sale was lost. That doesn't hold true especially here on the AppStore, when supply is infinite. I wasn't the previous poster demanding evidence of your statements in case you mistook me for him. However, I still back everything I stated in my previous post.
Plain and simple piracy is wrong. Now if you do it , thats up to you. I dont have a problem with pirates , its your life. But please dont come with the stupid reasoning that its right to pirate.
It's only arguing if we TYPE IN ALL CAPS, or start flaming each other. I would like to think of what we just had as a discussion. Anyways, this is a perfect example of why one should quote everything they are responding to, instead of pulling small quotes and responding to them without the context of the fuller post. Generally it takes the discussion off onto smaller tangents, where the two people don't know what the other one is trying to get at.
Well, cant help it when you keep on posting illogical things and vague (to the point of dumb) questions about site's policies. How about improving your posts instead of complaining why everyone thinks you're being an idiot? Too much to ask I know! And then you question why I suggested that you might be under influence. You never attacted/insulted me... Definitely not an insult or personal attack huh. Ok, maybe not if you're under influence or too dumb to remember your own last post I guess. Morals of pirates. right... You dont have any answer to any of my questions and thats the only frigging reason you are quitting. Who forced these idiots to buy an idevice in the first place? Who lied about appstore? Why should apple stop being a business and stop wasting money on something they dont consider as financially viable? And why is having an app so g-damn frigging important. No one's life depends on appstore games. But feel free to think w/e you want. Just like we cant stop you from pirating, we cant stop you from living in a dream world either! Anyways, Thank you for quitting. My son will always be indebted to you for saving his father's life!
Yeah? How's that working out for you? "If memory serves" nice try. Just man-up and admit you were speaking directly out of your sphincter.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't piracy the reason devs are starting to utilize in-app purchases to "unlock" the full game or sell add-ons? Of course there are all the "freemium" games out there as well. To this date, the Big Fish adventure games that you have to unlock via IAP have not been pirated. To go modding plist files or hex editing to unlock various items isn't worth the hassle, and would circumvent piracy among the less tech-inclined ones. The truth IMO is that piracy does indeed hurt sales, but not to the extent some of these devs make it out to be. As a life-long pirate dating back to the NES days, I can safely say I would NOT purchase all of the games I've pirated... not even close. I'd say a 10% turnover rate is fairly accurate.
I don't pirate app store apps, but I do get a hold of a paid cydia app every once in a while. The only reason I do that though is because I don't have access to a paypal or a credit card. If only they sold Cydia gift cards like they do iTunes gift cards. Hope I don't get banned for that.
