cubytes, I wish we all lived in the fantasy land in your mind. It truely would be great; just like the star trek society; we could all work on what we enjoyed and never have a want or need. Unfortunately that is not reality so yeah "psh" to you wanting to "share" the information in the games and apps being developed by hard working devs. Also, the app store is the closest thing there ever has been to the money going directly to the artist who creates the content by a long shot. It is truely an incredible opportunity to be able to create something and offer it to the entire world with such ease on all sides (artist/creator and customer). Piracy is wrong. I've done it when I was younger; I know the temptation; I know the rationalizations but I never would have argued to the world that what I was doing was right.
That freedom to decide how much your product worthes can't long enough time to make a living. By definition, a product loses value over time, just because people know more and more of it through reviews, videos, and stuff without ever buying it. It gets "vulgarized", people lose what motivates buying : the discovery. And as the regular customer tends to search profit over fair effort retribution, you would witness a satisfying donation report at the beginning, but a depressing one a few monthes after.
No idea, why is this topic still around. I mean, why do you care? Just by writing here, or joining a group, you won't change anything. This might sound bad, but you must admit, it is true. Also, please note, that I'm not saying, that piracy is good, I'm saying that it exists, and will exist, if people are posting here, how bad piracy is, instead of trying to talk to people pirating, trying to understand them, then trying to make a system good for everyone. For example, if Apple would make a trial system, that would eliminate the need of lite versions, and also pirate's couldn't tell people, that they are using cracked apps as a try-before-buy solution.
I believe raising awareness does have a positive effect of influencing some small percentage of those using pirated apps. We will never stop piracy or make a perfect 'trial' system that makes 'pirates' so happy they stop pirating. I think the advent of lite versions and .99 games proves that without a doubt. There will always be a certain group of people willing to steal the whole product if they can get away with it.
Count me in! Making the argument that we should just accept human nature (and the side argument of blaming the provider of goods for forcing people to steal) is a pretty lousy argument.
Yes, a trial system wouldn't make them stop, but they couldn't use the excuse "We're buying it if it's good!". And if they can't say that, more people will think, it's bad, so there is more attention. In my opinion, this would be the easiest, yet good way to reduce piracy.
Your argument (and others who have similar ones) are assuming that most pirates have relatively benign intentions. I disagree. I don't think that the problem lies in Apple's "system". It lies in the fact that the VAST majority of pirates do it because it's easy, they generally won't get caught, and either don't care about or have rationalized their stealing. It's not because they want to "try" it first. I just fundamentally don't buy this argument. People just want something for nothing, and don't care that they are hurting real people by doing it.
I didn't say they pirate because they want to try it. I said, they say this. With Apple changing the system, they would have no reason to say, except "I don't want to spend money.", so people would easily know, that piracy is bad for the developers.
*sighs Way to miss the point, spungo...typical. In the scenario I posited, one had indeed fallen into the commonly held definition of thief (one who, without permission, takes what does not belong to him/her). In your scenario, one had not committed the crime of rape, nor had raped anyone by any commonly held definition of the term. Do you see the difference? Or are you still blinded by your own mentality? Go back, read the link. And plagiarism IS covered by copyright law, as there are several cases on the books. Patent law does not apply to fictional material. Copyright law does. See the J.K. Rowling case against the unlicensed Harry Potter encyclopedia and site. That was not a case of patent infringement by copyright infringement, and the past suit history shows that Rowling's case was not the first of its sort. Again, some writer. I'm guessing it's technical books, not things you've actually created.
Spiffy, luckily we don't need to fear this mindless babble any more. He has been banned. Ding dong the witch is dead, the wicked witch is dead.
You're right. Using the same reasoning, one vote isn't going to make a difference to the outcome of an election, so why bother voting? Also, you doing your job is almost certainly not going to affect 99.9% of the world's population, so why bother working? If you truly are of the opinion that what you do or say doesn't matter, then I feel very sorry for you. The fact of the matter is no-one can possibly say what effect this topic has had on piracy, but I can promise you it is doing more than would be done if there was no such topic.
heeey wheres everyone at? I'm kinda disappointed to see this thread become stagnant this issue "needs" to be discussed! are you guys waiting for me to rant or something? speak up! i dont care what your opinion is or what side of the fence your on just let it be known how you feel about piracy i dont care about references or analytics or this and that, i just want you to voice your opinion.
Your examples were completely wrong about this. For example, working makes your life better, gets you money, while posting here won't change anything.
Its a start. This thread and the TAAP group works as a reminder to those amongst us are still pirating. It`s a lot better than doing nothing at all.
Yeah, I think a lot of people have misguided ideas of what the group is about. If you read the "charter" (lol) it's basically stating that the members of the group agree to not use cracked apps. It's just a way of showing the many developers who post here that there are a lot of people who support their work, and feel that they deserve to be paid for that work. Seeing as how it's a very new group and already the second largest in TA, I think that it's a good start. I certainly don't have any illusions that this group makes real tangible difference in the larger scheme of things, but I think that it's a nice statement for this forum. It really burns me that there are people here on this thread that interact with the very devs that they're stealing from. I also think that the vast majority of the arguments against piracy are simply ways for theives to rationalize their own bad behavior.
i guess i will start it off...... why do people pirate? is it just to get something for free? is it just to resist or boycott the establishment? or is it about control? do the people want/enjoy control over their own entertainment? is that why people share? or is there more to it? a lot of people like to compare piracy to stealing which is nonsense.... stealing implies theft and therefore would be a criminal offense. piracy that is the non commercial emergent behavior of sharing information (content) freely between individuals (peers) is about sharing and copying and therefore it is a civil matter as in you "cant get arrested" for it as in its not "illegal". it is illegal if you pirate for commercial profit but non commercial filesharing is a different beast all together the only way to get thrown in jail so to speak is if your in contempt of court after being sued for a civil offense but as is on face value a "police officer" cant arrest you for filre sharing copyrighted material (and please correct me if im wrong) so piracy is NOT stealing....technically speaking however the argument that piracy does "effect" the content creators, publishers labels so on and so on that argument is valid but comparing it to stealing is not... stealing is the opposite of sharing..... stealing/theft is the deprivation of property from an individual or company while sharing and copying is the act of creating new property for an individual through replication so in essence pirates are not stealing or depriving anyone of any property they are in fact creating new property by distributing (replicating) it on their own free time you can say they have come into possession of said property without compensating the creator or copyright holder but they didnt steal it from them by any means of the word so in essence pirates are replicating content by distributing said content for you without any compensation nor are they motivated to do this for capital gain or profits so the question is why are soooo many people motivated to do this?
also keep in mind piracy to some people is almost like a counter culture and while it may not be a full blown civil rights movement or even become one in the near futrue since its kinda hard to argue that the people should have the right to share information freely without limitation when some people actually depend on earning wages from creating, manipulating, changing, personalizing, improving and distributing said information but then again who knows what will become of piracy........ and historically (correct me if im wrong) civil rights movements emerge from opposition to arbitrary barriers imposed by law/order/government and/or self imposed by the status quo of society weather they be race, gender, sexual preference, religion and/or financial barriers eventually people wake up and realize there are barriers imposed upon them and eventually they come together and protest to eliminate these barriers whatever they may be bottom line to me in my humble opinion piracy is an anomaly, a conflict of interest and thats why i find it extremely interesting.......... and i absolutely LOVE to talk about it
Shut up. Please. Your first couple 8 paragraph "rants" a few pages back were enough. No need to triple post more of them.
