I swear, this thread is really heart-warming Thank you. *Joining for more quality games in the appstore.
Here's an article that cites the thread that made me want to start this group: http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/iPhone/Rally+Master+Pro+%28iPhone%29/news.asp?c=16415 Thanks to those who've joined.
I'd like to say a couple things. First off I'm going to start by saying that I'm against piracy, and I support devs for all the hard effort they put into these apps. That being said, I'd like to say that a lot of the people who pirate apps/games (same thing?) probably wouldn't buy it. For example, lets say my touch is jailbroken (Which it is), and I have all the power to pirate apps. So lets say I do. So I pirate the app, etc etc. But if I didn't have my touch jailbroken, or anything, I wouldn't necessarily BUY the app. I just pirated it because I could and it was there. So maybe, it might be good for the devs, I mean it wouldn't be hurting them because I wouldn't have bought it if I couldn't have pirated it, so I'm just spreading the word around of their app, maybe showing it to friends, publicity you could call it. Now, this is just a theory, I don't have any statistics or anything so I can't prove anything, but it's a thought. This goes for pirated music as well. Although with pirated music, you spread the word alot easier, since (well at least with me) you listen to music in larger groups, or you share/listen to music with friends and stuff. And then maybe, since you liked that artist, you end up going to their concert, and depending on how much it costs, you probably ended up helping them more (Concert price > Music price) Just my two cents.
A friend came over tonight. He used to buy a fair few iPod games, but now he jail broke his iPod and pirates them all. It annoys me and he says he can't afford the games, well either can I but I just buy them when I can.
If it's only eaten away by people who can't buy them in the first place (or haven't found out how) due to stupid localization issues, then there's absolutely no harm done. They weren't going to/can't buy it anyways, so developer's profit didn't decrease.
Localization issues effect very few games. The logic that someone wasn't going to buy it anyway doesn't work in any other situation. Not sure why it keeps coming up as a legitimate reason in these piracy threads.
Exactly. This is an argument given by people who want to steal games with a clear conscience. This is a rare instance, not the norm. People crack apps, because they don't want to pay, pure and simple.
My post only applied to the very few games lol. I was responding to an earlier statement regarding the localization issue, has nothing to do with cracking apps in general.
In some cases (We have no statistics, so we can't be sure) those people don't have the money/or wish to buy the app, so they wouldn't have bought the app anyways. We don't know how many, so we cant be sure. It sounds like an excuse, but it could be a possibility. @Sizzlakalonji: How can you be sure that they don't want to pay "pure and simple" and that they wouldn't pay if they hadn't pirated it? I have no proof, I haven't seen any proof for your claims, so it's just up in the air. As for the localization stuff, that isn't a big deal.
There IS harm done because the App was stolen. Localization issues affect a small percentage of Apps and the majority are pirated from those who could have bought it in the first place. Stop trying to justify theft.
How can you be sure that the people that pirated apps WOULD have bought it if they hadn't pirated it?
I say that because it's human nature. This is one of those times where common sense must prevail. People who argue in favor of piracy are trying to rationalize their bad behavior. I understand this. I downloaded pirated music before. I knew what I was doing was wrong, but somehow I rationalized it to myself. I can't control what I've done in the past. I can control my present and future behavior though. I've never jailbroken my phone, and would never download a cracked app, especially since I interact with many of the developers of these apps on this forum constantly. These are people who put a lot of time, effort, and passion into these games. You know it's wrong. Everyone who downloads a cracked app knows it's wrong.
I asked how can you be sure that if they hadn't had the means to pirate it, that they would have payed for it, and you answer that it's human nature and common sense? I'm sorry I don't understand. Is it human nature to pay for an app when you when you can't get it for free? (I'm applying it to this situation) And on a side note, I completely agree with the pirated apps, and how it's bad, and yes, of course everyone knows 'stealing' is wrong, its a common lesson taught everywhere.
Everyone knows stealing is wrong. It's a common lesson taught everywhere. People still steal. What's your point?
So the fact that they wouldn't have bought it anyway makes it all fine and dandy to just go ahead and steal it? If i go into a store, and see a $200 necklace sitting on the counter, i know good and damn well i aint gonna buy it. I may want it, but i aint gonna buy it. No way, no how. So i decide to just pick it up and put it in my pocket. "It's OK, i wasnt gonna buy it anyway, so no harm done." THIS is what your basically saying.
@sizzlakalonji: My point is that you didn't answer my question (When you quoted my post, you didn't reply to it (if not clearly)). "how can you be sure that if they hadn't had the means to pirate it, that they would have payed for it" @ IpodLady: No that is not what I'm saying. For starters, necklaces (Even $200 dollar ones) aren't stolen that easily. What we are trying to accomplish here, isn't to say that 'stealing is fine', because we know it's not. And I think we all agree and have already agreed on that. I'm sorry if that's how you interpreted my post (Kind of hard to believe though...) What I in fact said, was that (I'm not sure how much) but it doesn't cost the devs as much money as everyone thinks. Because those people that had pirated the apps, wouldn't have bought them anyways (and hence it wouldn't have cost the devs as much as they claim). And besides that, you didn't even answer the question, you just claimed that I think it's right to steal, which I never said. I'm really playing devils advocate here.
